Which Current Juniors Are You Looking Forward Too?

[myrab3la_19]

Larisa Iordache,watch her latest competitions here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdLUZVP6pI FX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iasno3b9xhE BB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvSCxqFbc7w VT 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEawIEvbX8k VT 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEawIEvbX8k UB
Maybe she is weaker on UB than Wieber or the chinese juniors but a Tkachev,a Pak salto and an original dismount sounds quite promising ,it is well known that the romanian juniors don't push to hard until they become seniors.

[star123]

Originally Posted by ECorn

I wouldn't count out the Chinese. Their juniors are looking pretty amazing too.

Cui Jie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cn-lqUBdWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh8sLpqCJRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy5P7no81YU

Wu Liufang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl54x5fuTb0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPpcX-jCmLY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KNq_bvrahM

Huang Huidan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZnwv0dqx08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTIgfvQ5PHc

Xiao Sa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwgi4UIwtLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdbCnSbxz0w

Zhang Yujiao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbepKUWwuE

Tan Sixin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_o5RzPkhUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyo-JtU8nuE


The Romanian juniors are very talented but quite weak on the uneven bars and vault. I think bars will be their biggest problem as the Chinese are always superb on this apparatus, the Russian juniors look very strong here and the Americans are far better than the Romanians as well. At the Junior Nationals the past couple of days there were 12 and 13 year olds without any releases, transfers to the low bar, unable to complete a full pirouette anywhere near handstand and with bad form throughout. Even juniors from second tier countries are superior to the Romanian juniors on this apparatus.

I love Xiao Sa but she is injured pretty badly. Im afraid that she will fall too far behind the others. Also I don't think she is even on the national team yet.

[serenanz]

The Romanian juniors are very talented but quite weak on the uneven bars and vault. I think bars will be their biggest problem as the Chinese are always superb on this apparatus, the Russian juniors look very strong here and the Americans are far better than the Romanians as well. At the Junior Nationals the past couple of days there were 12 and 13 year olds without any releases, transfers to the low bar, unable to complete a full pirouette anywhere near handstand and with bad form throughout. Even juniors from second tier countries are superior to the Romanian juniors on this apparatus.[/quote]

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ECORN

I agree with you regarding the UB... just readin what you are writing - are you saying the American Juniors are better than Romanian Juniors due to their UB routines OR that the Americans are better than the Romanians only on UB.. just curious as to what you mean.

I've been following the Romanian juniors for the past 1 1/2 and from seeing them a year ago on UB there has been some progress made in the girls on UB. I know its Romania's weakest event, Forminte knows this too hence the reason why he hired 2 extra coaches to work with the girls only on UB and they have more training on UB. Im also confident that since Ana's bronze medal on UB at the worlds this year, the Romanians will start stepping it up on UB. The Juniors who are turning senior next year (Amelia Racea,Daniela Andrei notably) are solid on Ub, they might not have the tricky releases like the Russians do but their form has improved since last year and they are solid and consistant on UB and have great flow in their routines.

Its a little nerve wracking to see the non-deva juniors on UB and how weak they are but I believe Diana Bulimar and Larissa Iordache stand out and will improve here, especially Iordache who is doing a difficult dismount from UB.


I'm aware of the vault problem too... romania has been the dominant leader on vault for a while until 2005, making vault finals in every Olympic game except for 2008 and medalling numerous times on vault at worlds and olympic games for the past 12 years, however the Juniors are playing it safe on vault and usually don't kick it up until they reach senior level. Amelia racea however (she's a Junior) is already doing a DTY on vault and she is a pretty solid vaulter (she beat Viktoria Komova on vt at the youth olympic cup this year) so although they are not as strong as their 2004 compatriots, they are not as bad as you suggest they are.


P.S.. what 12 and 13 year olds did you watch without any release moves? diana Bulimar, Larissa Iordache are this age and have release skills , Iordache has a very different dismount from UB - did you indeed see their routines? not all of them are as bad on UB.

[serenanz]

Originally Posted by myrab3la_19

Larisa Iordache,watch her latest competitions here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdLUZVP6pI FX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iasno3b9xhE BB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvSCxqFbc7w VT 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEawIEvbX8k VT 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEawIEvbX8k UB
Maybe she is weaker on UB than Wieber or the chinese juniors but a Tkachev,a Pak salto and an original dismount sounds quite promising ,it is well known that the romanian juniors don't push to hard until they become seniors.

Hey

Here is the Larissa UB link - u had the wrong link up top. As u can see she has to clean up her form, probably add in another relase move but she is only 12 years old.. lots of room for improvement and her dismount is pretty different from what the other juniors are doing.

Larissa Iordache - UB Romanian Junior Nationals (she won)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHDkr8rLwOc

[ECorn]

Originally Posted by serenanz

I agree with you regarding the UB... just readin what you are writing - are you saying the American Juniors are better than Romanian Juniors due to their UB routines OR that the Americans are better than the Romanians only on UB.. just curious as to what you mean.

I mostly meant that the American juniors are stronger than the Romanian juniors on uneven bars (and to some extent vault). I think the best Romanian juniors could are roughly on the same level on beam and floor.

Originally Posted by serenanz

P.S.. what 12 and 13 year olds did you watch without any release moves? diana Bulimar, Larissa Iordache are this age and have release skills , Iordache has a very different dismount from UB - did you indeed see their routines? not all of them are as bad on UB.

Bulimar and Iordache I aren't too worried about on ub. They have decent difficulty for their ages (especially Iordache) and plenty of time to increase their difficulty and execution.

These were some of the juniors I was talking about:

Andreea Tufa:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Gve0hfEFY

Maria Balea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsCmwN2xK1o

Georgiana Gheorghe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dpzGCF8dTg

Obviously they are for now at least more team players than standout juniors for Romania. However, I would think that they are counting on at least a couple of them to compete for Romania in Junior Euros next year when Haidu, Racea, Andrei, Voicu etc will be seniors.

These are the kind of uneven bar routines Russia's juniors will be competing in Birmingham:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dnFjr1pfm0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZS-o5ozlxk

I don't even expect them to have routines the same level as most of the Russian gymnasts, as we all know bars are Romania's weakest event. However, I would expect them to at least match the difficulty and execution (both of which are not exactly outstanding) by gymnasts of the same age likely to be team players in 2nd tier teams like Venus Romaeo might be for GB in Birmingham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXkmlK-JbJU

It's definitely not brilliant or perfect or exciting, but I would say that is a far more reasonable standard of routine for gymnasts of the age and talent level of Tufa, Balea, Gheorghe etc.

I wouldn't even really care about the releases if they had routines like Madison Kocian's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJL4M918BRE

[alexandrite105]

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*i know they're seniors but they've been injured since becoming seniors and have not actually competed senior yet
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[serenanz]

Originally Posted by ECorn

I mostly meant that the American juniors are stronger than the Romanian juniors on uneven bars (and to some extent vault). I think the best Romanian juniors could are roughly on the same level on beam and floor.



Bulimar and Iordache I aren't too worried about on ub. They have decent difficulty for their ages (especially Iordache) and plenty of time to increase their difficulty and execution.

These were some of the juniors I was talking about:

Andreea Tufa:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Gve0hfEFY

Maria Balea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsCmwN2xK1o

Georgiana Gheorghe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dpzGCF8dTg

Obviously they are for now at least more team players than standout juniors for Romania. However, I would think that they are counting on at least a couple of them to compete for Romania in Junior Euros next year when Haidu, Racea, Andrei, Voicu etc will be seniors.

These are the kind of uneven bar routines Russia's juniors will be competing in Birmingham:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dnFjr1pfm0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZS-o5ozlxk

I don't even expect them to have routines the same level as most of the Russian gymnasts, as we all know bars are Romania's weakest event. However, I would expect them to at least match the difficulty and execution (both of which are not exactly outstanding) by gymnasts of the same age likely to be team players in 2nd tier teams like Venus Romaeo might be for GB in Birmingham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXkmlK-JbJU

It's definitely not brilliant or perfect or exciting, but I would say that is a far more reasonable standard of routine for gymnasts of the age and talent level of Tufa, Balea, Gheorghe etc.

I wouldn't even really care about the releases if they had routines like Madison Kocian's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJL4M918BRE

Buna Ecorn

Mersi mult de tot.

Glad that I realize what you are referring too and I agree with you on the Juniors for UB. I would love for them to be on the same page as Larissa and Diana Bulimar (the other Juniors) - I'm not sure what club those other ones belong too but its clear that Larissa and Diana have the upperhand when it comes to their training on UB.

Are you from Romania?

Do you feel that the UB routines will be better next year for BOTH seniors AND Juniors? I know the Junior Europeans next year will be a big test for the Romanian Juniors who will compete in place of those who will be moving up.
By the way - when the juniors (racea/voicu/haidu) get moved up - does that mean Bulimar and Iordache will be moved over to Deva?

Mai vorbim
te pup
Serena

[ECorn]

Originally Posted by serenanz

Are you from Romania?

Do you feel that the UB routines will be better next year for BOTH seniors AND Juniors? I know the Junior Europeans next year will be a big test for the Romanian Juniors who will compete in place of those who will be moving up.
By the way - when the juniors (racea/voicu/haidu) get moved up - does that mean Bulimar and Iordache will be moved over to Deva?

Mai vorbim
te pup
Serena

Actually I'm British but I'm just a fan/ follower of Romanian gymnastics so I'm not the best person to answer your questions because I know as much/ little as you do.

Lets hope that Balea, Tufa, Gheorghe etc. are training releases/ high bar to low bar transfers which will be ready for competition for Junior Euros. If not, then at least maybe the coaches will be compelled by watching the Russian juniors to really work on the Romanian juniors' bars.

Another thing that really annoys me about the Romanian juniors' bars is the fact that lots of them start on the low bar when they are quite bad transferring from low to high bar. (Often they are really tiny which doesn't help). They must incur quite a lot of deductions because not only are the transfers bad but they then often have a dead hang and/ or have to muscle up to handstand again. I don't understand why they don't just have the girls jump straight to the high bar because there would be far fewer deductions, they would be less tired than they would be starting on the low bar and any stalder, toe on work etc. could be more easily linked to other skills.

[star123]

You are right it probably would be better to have them jump onto the high bar. There must be some reason. Can't you also get a dead hang deduction when jumping onto the high bar?

[serenanz]

Originally Posted by ECorn

Actually I'm British but I'm just a fan/ follower of Romanian gymnastics so I'm not the best person to answer your questions because I know as much/ little as you do.

Lets hope that Balea, Tufa, Gheorghe etc. are training releases/ high bar to low bar transfers which will be ready for competition for Junior Euros. If not, then at least maybe the coaches will be compelled by watching the Russian juniors to really work on the Romanian juniors' bars.

Another thing that really annoys me about the Romanian juniors' bars is the fact that lots of them start on the low bar when they are quite bad transferring from low to high bar. (Often they are really tiny which doesn't help). They must incur quite a lot of deductions because not only are the transfers bad but they then often have a dead hang and/ or have to muscle up to handstand again. I don't understand why they don't just have the girls jump straight to the high bar because there would be far fewer deductions, they would be less tired than they would be starting on the low bar and any stalder, toe on work etc. could be more easily linked to other skills.

Ecorn

Oh... here i am talking Romanian to you and you have no clue .. sorry.
I agree about the low bar to high bar transition. that is a good point.

Im hoping that ALL the coaches in Romania will be motivated by Ana Porgras bronze medal on UB to up a notch on UB. I know that Forminte had a couple of coaches added last year to work strictly on UB at Deva (they only do UB) but really the guy needs to start studying UB routines and figure out how to kick it up a notch .

As for the vault weakness, i think that is going to sort itself out in the next year or so. The seniors doing vault are weak on this apparatus because they are all injured - Chelaru was the only one who was 100% at Worlds but she tends to panic and freak out and make mistakes. I'm hoping the more experience she gets, the better controlled she will get... But PLEASE that horrible split legs apart needs to stop. I wish Rosu would coach the juniors on vault or Amanar to at least help them get started.