10 Thoughts on the U.S. Championships

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Women's National Championships, Boston

Dead heat: Shawn Johnson and Nastia Liukin could go 1-2 or 2-1 at the Olympics. Their A Scores across four events on Day 2 were 26.20 (Johnson) and 26.10 (Liukin). Liukin actually beat Johnson on the second day, 64.20-64.05, but her fall and out-of-bounds deduction in prelims proved to be the difference in the end. If both hit in Beijing, I honestly couldn't pick a winner — they're that close.

Depth: When was the last time the top three finishers were all-around world champions? (And I'm still giving that title to Liukin, who tied Memmel for the 2005 gold in Melbourne, and then was bumped to second when the scores were truncated via a senseless rule.)

Samantha Peszek: Peszek's ambitious floor dismount of 1 1/2 twist through to double pike backfired on day two, when she put her hands down on the double pike. It's always difficult to maintain your horizontal momentum while stepping out of a 1 1/2 twist, because the roundoff becomes shorter than when it's performed after a normal hurdle (especially at the end of a routine). If she struggles with that pass at trials, too, it should be replaced.

Chellsie Memmel: After missing the 2004 Olympic team because of a fluke injury at the wrong time, Memmel has to be considered a sentimental favorite to make the team. And if she performs at trials the way she did in Boston, I'd put her on and name her team captain, too. Her routines looked solid, especially on bars, where I don't think she really needs to cowboy her double front dismount. But I guess she — and everyone else who cowboys this skill — doesn't want to risk sitting down on the landing.

U.S. Olympic team: Marta Karolyi has a much easier task of choosing a team than the U.S. Men's Selection Committee. She simply has fewer slots and events to fill. Barring injury, Johnson, Liukin and Alicia Sacramone are locks, and I'd add Memmel and Peszek too. That leaves one spot open. Ivana Hong, Jana Bieger, Shayla Worley or Bridget Sloan? It's too early to tell, but the trials in Philadelphia should help to clear up that fuzzy picture.

Men's National Championships, Houston

Houston, we have a problem: I'm not sure the results at the U.S. Championships did much to help the Selection Committee. In fact, the two-day meet might have made things a bit more confusing, since so many contenders kept falling off their best events. If that trend continues in Philadelphia, the selection committee should choose the highest-scoring team under the assumption that everyone will hit. No reason to compete for fourth or fifth at this point.

Blaine Wilson: Three-time Olympian Wilson bowed out after two routines, and I liked the quiet grace with which he exited the sport. He really had nothing more to prove, anyway.

Specialists: If you are good at both pommel horse and rings, an unlikely combination, you really help this team. Rings champion Kevin Tan comes closest. Under the "points system" he earned the maximum 22 (11 each day) for rings and amassed 11 on pommels. Add his 15 for parallel bars and six for high bar and he has 54. Working only four events (no floor or vault), Tan sits third in the points race, behind all-around champion David Sender (66) and runner-up Jonathan Horton (55).

Philadelphia: With the Olympic trials counting 60 percent toward the final results, the pressure will be that much greater than it was in Houston, which counted 40 percent. The meet is sure to bring some guys to tears, and I'm not saying which kind.

U.S. Olympic team: Paul Hamm, Kevin Tan... sorry, can't name the rest. There are too many viable choices, and no matter which combination you select, one event gets shortchanged. Better to wait and see how the U.S. Olympic Trials play out, because that's when the final four will really earn their berths to Beijing. See you in Philadelphia.

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Comments (20 posted):

susanrjones on Monday, June 09, 2008
I agree with Dwight's pick of the women's Olympic team. Johnson, Liukin, Sacramone, Memmel, and Peszek. I would give the last spot to Worley. The US team needs another great gymnast for bars. Shayla definitely fills that spot.
shan1050 on Monday, June 09, 2008
My thoughts on the U.S. Championships.

1. Chellsie Memmel looks fitter than she’s looked in years. Her slimmer appearance is definitely making her lines look nicer, which is a benefit for Chellsie who has always been able to throw the big tricks but not always with the best form.

2. Jana Bieger is an awesome gymnast, but she has always had minor form problems and a lack of artistry. It will be very unfortunate if this talented young lady, the second best gymnast in the world just a few years ago, does not make the Olympic team simply because she can’t clean up some form problems.

3. I love Alicia Sacramone, but her beam routine is painful to watch. It is so choppy and disjointed. Nothing flows. Everything appears rushed. It is just flat out ugly. Granted, she’s consistent, but is consistency the only thing that matters anymore? I guess in team finals, the answer is yes.

4. Someone commented that the senior women were doing “ugly” gymnastics. This person pointed out that there were more gymnasts than not who had poor form and who did not look polished. I feel that the lack of polish is a problem this close to the Olympic games, but remember that these girls still are not at their peak (nor should they be yet). More importantly, though, if you want to blame something for the ugly gymnastics, look no further than the new code.
Banter1 on Monday, June 09, 2008
I agree with the women's team. The only downfall to Shayla is her dismount on bars. That front giant is not very good which then leads to an inconsistent dismount. But overall she would be the strongest pick to complete the team.
schood85 on Monday, June 09, 2008
I agree as well but I wouldn't count Bridget Sloan out. She also has a great bar routine. The 6th gymnast will be either Shayla or Bridget.
armchr quarterbk on Monday, June 09, 2008
I also agree with the women's pick, but I'm not sure Worley can outscore Bridget Sloan on bars. Regarding the Nastia vs. Shawn rivalry: I'm a big Nastia Liukin fan, but I'd be happy to see these two gymnasts tie for gold in the AA at Beijing - I think they both deserve it. I'm also hoping the exhaustive competition/training schedule won't result in any last-minute injuries.
truefano8 on Monday, June 09, 2008
Dwight definitely has a point, if Team USA can't hit, it doesn't matter what names are out on the floor or how good they "could" be. Gymnastics is about how good the athletes ARE. you get one shot, and the results follow, so I hope to see a men's team selected by talent, hit factor and experience, even if they aren't everyone's favorite names.
truefano8 on Monday, June 09, 2008
Team USA
Johnson,Liukin,Memmel,Peszek,Sacramone, Sloan. Alt-Worley..Bieger
proof that team USA is deep is that as much as it seems radical, Worley would only be needed on bars at this point and she has yet to post marks high as Sloan, who has proven consistency in the last year. this HAS to be the deepest field ever. wow, if you take Worley instead it's not much different, but medals get taken by tenths...mathmatics
Caroline2146 on Monday, June 09, 2008
if they dont gamble with someone like artemev, then they have absolutely no chance at medaling. if he is on the team on falls on pommels or if they dont put him on the team, either way usa will not contend for a medal . so they might as well gamble on him and ppl like spring if they want any shot at a medal. even if these people are inconsistent, at least they have a chance at medaling than if u pick 6 average guys that u kno r going to hit

i think morgan, paul, kevin, horton, and sasha should be on the team. these r my predictions in no order
fx: paul, morgan, horotn
ph: paul sasha, then tan or morga
SR: horton paul kevin
vt: anyone:most of them can do 6.6 SV
pb: hammm horton, spring or sasha
HB: paul morgan spring

i also think that horton should bea lock for this team. i mean he is inconsistent on HB but it's not like we're gonna use him there anyway! he can really conssitently hit his best: fx, SR, PB
Caroline2146 on Monday, June 09, 2008
for the women the choice is sooooo easy

vt: pezsek shawn alicia

ub: nastia, chellsie, shayla(if shes still injured then sloan but i think marta will prefer shayla and keep sloan as an alternate until the last minute and whether sloan competes or not just depends on how shayla feels. shayla has more intern experience and has the nastia body-type that judges like on bars so i think she'll be favored

bb: nastia, shawn, then chellsie sam or alicia (seriously when have nastia and shawn not gotten above 16 and chellsie, sam, and alicia can get it done too

fx: alicia, shawn, then pezsek or memmel depending on who is better at that point (if memmel adds the whip whip arabian back in then i would choose her)

alternates: shayla/sloan (whichever does not get selected for the 3rd bars spot)
then jana bieger and ivana hong
theblindteacher on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
I'm thinking Bridget has a hot chance at that last spot, especially since she hasn't even shown what she can do on vault and floor yet and rocked bars hugely at Nats.
jmerone on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
"if they dont gamble with someone like artemev, then they have absolutely no chance at medaling."

I must agree with this comment, he's a great talent but lacks consistency. If they work on his mental game, there is no reason he cant be on that team.
armchr quarterbk on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
One more thought on Nastia vs. Shawn: I said that I'd like to see these two tie for Olympic gold, but then it occurred to me... when gymnasts win the Olympic AA, it's just about the last time we ever get to see them do gymnastics. I remember watching Carly Patterson's floor exercise in the AA at Athens, and feeling overjoyed and melancholy at the same time. I figured it was the last floor exercise I'd ever see her do, and I was right. The opportunities that come with winning Olympic AA gold are great for the gymnasts, but for us loyal fans they're like the Kiss of Death! Selfish of me, but I'd almost rather see Nastia take home the silver and stick around for another four years (the way Shannon Miller did)... almost. Liukin said earlier in an IG interview that she plans to be around as long as her body can take it, and I sincerely hope (as a selfish fan who wants to see her compete at this highest level for years to come) that she still feels that way even with an Olympic AA gold medal in her pocket.
gold on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
This is the least stressful U.S. Women's Olympic team selection in a long time, which I think is great. As this article mentions, there are probably already 5 locked, or close to locked, spots. Unlike previous years, the girls can actually focus on their Olympic performance, rather than having to stress and worry excessively about qualifying for Trials or the team itself. This is one of the results of the open-ended scoring system that I absolutely love. It is so much easier to figure out who will be on the team, and who really doesn't have a shot just by looking at A-scores. Not many girls can really get those high A-scores to truly contend.
KBT on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
I'd choose Sloan as the sixth member. Bieger didn't place top three on any event at Nationals and won't get the B-scores, Hong is beautiful but doesn't have the A scores. Shayla hasn't been very consistent recently and would probably only be top three on bars, but I think Sloan might beat her there. Sloan is also more of an AA gymnast which is nice to have in case of injury.

I would make Alicia team captain. She did a great job of pumping up the team last year after a bad beam rotation, and she gets along well with everyone. Not everyone gets along well with Chellsie so I don't think she'd have the same ability to inspire and motivate the team.
sprinkls on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
first, I always enjoy reading Dwight Normile's pieces because they are honest
and real. Thanks!

Anyway, I do agree that Nastia, Shawn and Alicia are locks for the team, but I
would really like to see Ivana Hong out there too. There are so few gymnasts at
the top of the elite board that have any artistry at all, and Ivana is
definitely one who brings that out. Out of all of the top contenders for the US
women's team, only Nastia and Ivana look even remotely graceful out there. Shawn
looks powerful and bouncy (more like Mary Lou or Dominique Moceanu) which is
awesome, but having the beauty and grace there too is very refreshing. No more
of those choppy "ugly" routines! Nastia and Ivana show that it IS possible to
have beautiful routines, and still score big.
Mally on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
I agree with the women's picks for the most partbut I wouldn't call Sam Peszek a lock just yet. Mattie Larson outscored her on floor both days and her total for vault and floor were higher both days as well. I think the nod goes to Sam for her superior work on beam and to some extent bars, but it’s closer than it seems. As far as Shayla goes, unless she scores close to the 16 range at trials or shows really good stuff at the camp I think Bridget may have the spot. I feel bad for Ivanna and Jana. At this point, I don't even see Ivanna being an alternate because if one of the specialists is injured(Bridget/Sam) they could send in another specialist(Shayla/Mattie). And if one of the all-arounders is injured 1. We're screwed anyway, and 2. Putting Ivanna in their spot wouldn't help. So you just name the team and put their respective "back up specialists" as the alternates, which leaves Ivanna out. Its odd because back when everyone competed almost every event she and her consistent solid scores would've been a good team member(Jaycee Phelps/Amanda Borden) or perfect alternate, and now it seems she's out. Sad, because she does pretty gymnastics(Hope she sticks around)
The men's team IDK...i agree that they should just go for it at this point and go for the big scorers
Caroline2146 on Wednesday, June 11, 2008
i really think that for the men's team, they should just go all out and pick the guys with big start values because in terms of consistency, you cannot trust ANYONE. I mean, even paul hamm has fallen at least once during every competition this year, and he's paul hamm.

and sasha artemev, i mean i know he is inconsistent but I trust him on that horse more than anyone. They should not leave him off the team for falling off horse, i mean again even paul hamm has fallen off horse several times this year, but that is not gonna stop them from putting paul on pommels during team final. and even if sasha does fall during team final, i mean it's gonna be a higher score than an average guy who doent fall
startvalue on Wednesday, June 11, 2008
For the men: It's a big mistake to pick a team that can't hit. Only China is good. If the US puts up guys that hit their sets, they will do fine. If they roll the dice they could wind up loosing to Germany, japan and maybe others. It's not like 2000 when Russia, Blr and Ukr had teams. Using guys who may hit is a big mistake
Caroline2146 on Thursday, June 12, 2008
to the persons that commented above,
first of all, i cannot name one person on the mens national team that is always consistent to begin with. period.

even if we did have average-SV, consistent guys that could hit 99% of times (which we dont); even if they hit 18 for 18, they still wudnt win a medal for not having enough difficulty. the only shot that we do have at winning a medal is if we hit at least 16 out of 18 high difficulty routines. if we dont gamble we wont medal. and at this point, the inconsistency the men had at nationals has proven that picking just about anyone is a gamble.

and i agree that for the men, w/e combination u choose, youll lose something somewhere. that is not true for the women however, for them, they can actually bring the top 3 on each event using only the 6-girl requirement

also for the men, i think it would be intelligent for them to name the olympics team early. guys like artemev, would not have to worry about making the team and could just concentrate on their routines. for example, if he were to go into trials knowing that hes already on the team, he could focus on his routines instead of worrying about the fact that he has to 'prove' himself.
i think its unfortunate that the mens team does not have gymnasts like nastia and shawn that are consistent and that u know that u can put out on the floor anytime and they will hit high-level routines with good execution
gymcam413 on Monday, June 16, 2008
Caroline, I agree with you. I was at Visa, and I watched the men compete both days. It seemed like every time you turned to look at another event, soeone was falling. Of course the US is lacking greatly on pommel horse, which is where we lose most of our points. I hate to say it, but it is going to be very difficult for the US to medal, and gold is completely out of the question. The Chinese have such high start values that they cn fall multiple times and still beat us along with the rest of the world. The biggest chance we have is if Paul Hamm heals soon enough and is able to get back to where he was at Nationals. I really hope the US Men medal, and I think it is very possible, but they are going to have to hit much better than they did at Visa. Fortunately, it is still early and the guys are still working on polishing up their routines. There is still time for them to get to where they need to be. It is actually good that none of them have peaked yet, or then we would be facing another problem.

As far as the team goes, I have no idea. There are a lot of guys all at about the same level. the only garauntee would be Paul, but even he isn't a lock yet due to his brocked hand. I think Paul, Morgan, and Kevin Tan should be on the team. Right there that gets you one guy on all 6 events. Morgan on floor, vault, pommels, and even high bar if you need him. I would love to see David Sender make the team too. It seems wrong for the US national champion not to make the Olympic team, but I could definitely see that hapenning. I also think Sasha Artemev would be a good addition, but then he is young and has more chances, plyus he is inconsistent. Justin Spring can also help out the team a lot too on his events. He was in first on p-bars after two days of competition at Visa. And he was ranked highly on vault. Had he not fallen on high bar he would be doing well there too. Of course you could probably say the same thing about many of the guys... "had he just not fallen... he would be..." Hopefully the Trials this week will make the process a little bit easier and soem of the guys will step up to the plate and prove they are worthy of making the Olympic Team!

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